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DADT dishonourably discharged

The United States has taken a step to truly joining the 21st century, as its Senate has voted 65–31 to repeal its outdated, ineffective and harmful policy of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. As the House has passed an identical bill, the only thing that has to be done to repeal DADT is President Obama’s signature, which is expected.

As thousands of troops, including badly–needed translators and specialists have been dismissed under this policy, this is the correct decision. Lots of other militaries handle LGBT soldiers just fine, and the US military will be no different.

Lastly, yet again, the sky has refused to fall. Has any wingnut freakout ever actually come true? Any?

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Comments on: "DADT dishonourably discharged" (9)

  1. But, surely they’ll find a way to spin it into saying they’re right. About a year ago, someone forwarded me a letter to the editor in the paper of a city in which I had previously resided. It was talking about how prayer being removed from school had caused a lot of bad things to happen.

    They said, since prayer had been removed from school, we’ve had lots of school shootings. When I satirised this in the comments of an article on Ankh’s blog, I took it to the very extreme.

    But, coupled with that, was another letter to the editor from the same paper, two days later, that was being written in response, using the same old post hoc ergo propter hoc to prove the fallacy of the first one. She said, since prayer had been removed from schools, America had landed on the moon among other good things I can’t remember, and then stated that correlation does not equal causation.

    So, it’s a long-winded way of saying it, but the next bad thing that happens within the US military will be blamed, by the right wing, on gays serving openly. Facts and evidence never really bothered them much.

  2. Your claim in your comment is correct, but you use the wrong term. Correlation does not equal causation does means that just because two variables move in the same direction/opposition direction with about the same magnitudes, it does not mean that movement in one causes movement in the other. For example, your age is correlated with Mexico’s GDP, but this does not mean that economic growth in Mexico is making you get older. Clearly, bombing Mexico down to the stone age won’t make you younger!

    What you were actually discussing is the fallacy of post hoc propter hoc. Basically, it does not follow that event A causes event B, just because event A precedes event B. You example makes the point.

  3. Correlation does not equal causation is the way laymen refer to the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. That doesn’t mean it’s technically correct, but it doesn’t mean it’s not. I was just using the author’s words there. I typically use the official name for the fallacy.

  4. “Post hoc ergo propter hoc” is Latin for “After this, therefore because of this”. It is therefore incorrect to claim this PHEPH is the name of “correlation does not equal causation”.

  5. I know what it all means. Correlation does not equal causation is what laymen use because they don’t know Latin. They mean by that, “Just because the two go together doesn’t mean one caused the other.”

  6. But what your were discussing was “Just because one followed the other doesn’t mean the first caused the second.”

  7. Yeah. Don’t blame me. I’m not the one who came up with the layman’s wording of the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.

  8. I once took a course on critical thinking and we used the technical names for fallacies. But, whatever….

  9. When I refer to the fallacy, I call it by its technical name, “post hoc ergo propter hoc.” However, the layman’s wording is, “correlation doesn’t equal causation.” I didn’t come up with that. I was just citing another’s use of it.

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